The Other Way to Get on Netscape's Front Page »
Posted By titlesaysitall 1 year, 8 months ago in Science & TechnologyWith Netscape having curtailed the site-mail all friends feature, and making it harder to site-mail spam your way to the front page, here's the other way to getting on Netscape's front-page.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
Saleem: Your personal bias discredits your objectivity and conveniently fails to acknowledge that mutual friends have pre-arranaged and established relationships. Your need to characterize all correspondence about new submission-updates among members as "spam" is flawed and misleading.
The result of your "sour-grapes" attitude about community-minded communication among members has led to isolation and has impeded our freedom to communicate en masse. Thanks Saleem -- quite selfish of you!
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 8 months ago
I agree also Spade, he sent me a message to stop messaging him so I just took him off the friends list. We can do that to any one who doesn't want our stories.
We do have established friends and like to comment on each others stories. But why hurt the few with less than 100 friends when it is those with 200 that is doing it.
We pick our friends with mutual interests, pay more attention to those with way to many friends submitting stories and making no comments. I clean my friends list up all the time, add and delete as I see who is like minded.
"The result of your "sour-grapes" attitude about community-minded communication among members has led to isolation and has impeded our freedom to communicate en masse. Thanks Saleem -- quite selfish of you!"
I agree with that also, and the best way to deal with it is to not vote, comment or read his stories. It was ok for him to message me when he started, now it is considered spam when I reciprocate.
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divyauttam1 year, 8 months ago
M Saleem should check what he is doing in Digg. Isn't that a spam. M Saleem canot dictate what mutual friends have to talk amongst each other.
Atleast follow what you say. Totally agree with Spadecaller.
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gatitabonitasen1 year, 8 months ago
I agree Spade . If a person do not like the messages you can tell the people to stop them or erase them from your list of friends , lets face it. If you get bother by the messages your friends are sending you then you are not their friend .
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deathray1 year, 8 months ago
Hey Mo -
Netscape might as well get rid of the "Friend's" feature altogether; in concert with the mutual friend's mailing feature, it was clearly created to help promote discussion of issues with like minded people. Changing the policy in mid-stream makes no sense.
Let's be frank; story promotion is a popularity contest. That's why I have 190 friends and a waiting list of around 50 more, as soon as I can determine that they are not sock puppets. 85% of those people chose me as friends first, mostly because we are like minded and they want to see my submissions.
If you can't let your friend's know about your submissionsin an attempt to get reactions to your stories, why have them at all?
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joeeddie1 year, 8 months ago
At least I now know deathray's first name. Hi Frank, I'm Joe - will you be my friend? You can send me messages if you want.
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pagey1 year, 8 months ago
How do you know they choose you as a friend because they like your stories.You say"Let's be frank; story promotion is a popularity contest. That's why I have 190 friends and a waiting list of around 50 more" so what makes you think these people are not your friend because they want a vote. How can someone who signs up and then has over 100 friends a day later know that all those friends are "like minded" Should you not be picking friends on the stories they submit, not voting stories because they have made you a friend.
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
The short answer is yes. That is why my 'friends' list constantly changes. I agree with you utterly. We should pick and choose our friends based on mutual interests. Or pick a friend because it is someone with whom we consistantly disagree, but like their comments.
I have both groups, but there are people that I've added only to drop later noticing that it was all about the votes. I don't dig on that.
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deathray1 year, 8 months ago
OK, Pagey -
If you look at my unclaimed friends, you will see that some have been there for quitea while, because I hve not seen them vote on my stories, or comment on them, or even seen a comment from them. The ones that get claimed are the ones who seem to have something in common with me.
Unbelievably, I exercise judgment about the people who select me as a friend; it's not a willy nilly, arbitrary process.
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nativestorm1 year, 8 months ago
Let me ask you something, if you can answer. You used me as an example of a spammer, and to be sure, I sent out alot of posts but whenever asked to stop, I did.I defy you to find one person who asked me and went unanswered..ONE.
I also ask you to bring the problem to Netscape itself instead of posting it on your own blog then linking it here. That way, Netscape contributors can see as far as this issue goes, you and truth need a better acquaintance.
I also sent in complaints about navigators sending me msgs abt stories being retracted because they were already posted then posting them as their own bylines..a full five minutes or more after I posted then had my stories retracted.
now I have a new hobby
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joeeddie1 year, 8 months ago
NS - I find it humorous that your initials match the initials of the website. Or is it "social news site"? The # 1 definition of the word social: "a party of people assembled to promote sociability and communal activity." Notice how the word "promote" is a key part of the definition. Some of the navigators - everyone knows who - sadly lack the objectivity to perform their duties as written in the FAQ section. If NS (Netscape in this instance) fixes this internal problem first then the problem they are highlighting here will go away. Certain navigators do more to influence the front page than 1,000 promotional messages from friends will ever do. Quit filtering and start listening. Nativestorm - feel free to send me as many messages as you want - I will filter them as I see fit. For them to highlight your name and activity is another example of them using dubious tactics to PROMOTE navigators ideals, not users ideals.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
Regarding your remark, Saleem, about a member that you posted on your website: "Before I detail their first steps, have a look at the following example [of spam]. I received the following message from Netscape user nativestorm..."
I have a mutual friendship with nativestorm; and I received that same message. Did you have the decency to ask him not to send you updates, because you consider it spam?
You have some nerve writing an article denouncing members for sharing their new submissions with each other assuming that it's because they want to make the front page.
I submit stories and share them with like-minded people. If they make it to the front page or not is not that damn important to me. I'm not getting paid am I?
Pretending that your "protecting" us from spam is utter nonsense.
Your conduct has been underhanded and you owe apologies to those of us you used to build your moronic thesis.
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deathray1 year, 8 months ago
Mo -
You are on my "Friend's" list as well, and have helped promote stories of yours in the past, although you have not asked me to do so recently.
I received nativestorm's messages, and I didnt perceive it as spam; calling it spam frames the question in a negative way. I like to keep abreast of my friend's submissions. They know what I like, and vice versa.
One prson's spam is another person's notice; you can't decide for us what the difference is, only we can.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 8 months ago
"I submit stories and share them with like-minded people. If they make it to the front page or not is not that damn important to me. I'm not getting paid am I?"
I agree again, and you know, all of Netscape employees are getting paychecks, not us and we are the driving force behind the site so they can collect those pay checks.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
For anyone who wants to review what Saleem posted on his own website, "Pronet Advertising ... personal experiences in successful online marketing," this is his site, where he posted information about members at Netscape:
http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/spamming
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
"titlesaysitall" NOT!
MSaleem, 17 days ago, you had started your devious crusade against the mutual feature. What makes you the judge of what we share between our friends on our mutual friends list? According to you, it wasn't social enough.
And, now that the damage is beginning to show, you submit an article on "The Other Way to Get on Netscape's Front Page". Many of us would entitle it: "Navigator Seeks Damage Control to Save Face."
http://tech.netscape.com/story/2007/01/17/use-the-
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nativestorm1 year, 8 months ago
yes.......z girl was always unbiased and fair w/ me.never poached a story and never lied.maybe thats why shes gone..too fair for the crooked gang
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
What I don't understand is when I look up msaleem's personal website, I find the author of the article is Mohammed Saleem, and when I look up titlesayistall, the author is still Mohammad Saleem. Which one is the sock puppet?
How fair is it that you vote for your own story twice?
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jordan111 year, 8 months ago
It took me a while to even know how the friends feature worked, and I couldn't figure out why there was a long list of people in the 'friends' section. Meanwhile, I spent waaay too much time sorting through stories to find those that interested me. Some people were kind enough to send me stories, and they always interested me. FINALLY (duh) I figured out that the 'friends' feature was for like minded people to communicate with one another. When stories come in so fast, and so prolifically, WHO has time to sort them out? I assume we all have lives, & a feature that allows us to more quickly have the advantage of educating ourselves (I'm speaking 'politics' here) is a good thing! To turn it into a 'grab for the front page' is ridiculous. Does netscape want to provide stories of interest to its users, or not? Asking someone to tell members about a story, one by one, is an abuse of their time. Not to mention 'childish'.
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Spadecaller1 year, 8 months ago
Will the real Mohammad Saleem please stand up. How do we know you don't have an office of a dozen computers and all your sock puppets haven't been voting your stories to the front page? How many complaints about the mutual mail feature are from you, msaleem, titlesaysitall, or whoever else you are?
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joeeddie1 year, 8 months ago
This is another example of Netscape just not seeing the big picture. This has got to be one of the poorest managed sites I've seen. Nativestorm is on my friends list. I have never met, talked to, pm'ed with or had a cup of coffee with him. Is he truly my "friend"? Not in the true sense of the word. Does that distinction m
